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#713047 - 04/15/11 08:56 PM Re: Rahmenbruch - Was tun? [Re: schorsch-adel]
Jojo64
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Ein gemuffter und gelöteter Stahlrahmen kann tatsächlich weich gefahren werden (Lötstellen brechen auf)
...behauptest Du einfach so.

Als technischer Laie kann ich dir da kaum widersprechen, aber die eine oder andere Erklärung wäre da schon hilfreich, vielleicht auch ein Beleg aus seriöser Quelle. Dein Link als vermeintlicher Beweis schweigt sich zum eigentlichen Problem aus.

Meine (dünnen)Kenntnisse von Rahmenbauerseite und die (etwas dickeren) Erfahrungen sagen mir, daß Du hier ein Ammenmärchen verbreitest.

Die Lötstellen sind eine ganz andere Baustelle.

Genügt Dir eine Stellungnahme eines Ingenieurs, der sich intensiv mit der Materie Fahrrad beschäftigt hat? Wenn ja, denn schau hier nach. Meine mittlerweile 31-jährige Erfahrung mit Rennrädern und die vieler Profis in der Stahlrahmenära bestätigt dieses "Ammenmärchen". Die Rahmen werden spürbar weicher, auch wenn meßtechnisch oft nicht mehr als 10-20% nachweisbar sind. Und für Amateure und Anfänger sind solche "weichen" Rahmen durchaus noch brauchbar. Selbst mit dieser verminderten Steifigkeit sind sie oft noch besser als die preiswerten Rahmen. Und merken tut es ja nur derjenige, der den Rahmen im Neuzustand kennt.
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Re: Rahmenbruch - Was tun? Tanbei 04/12/11 04:16 PM
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Re: Rahmenbruch - Was tun? Martina 04/13/11 06:37 AM
Re: Rahmenbruch - Was tun? Tanbei 04/13/11 08:45 AM
Re: Rahmenbruch - Was tun? Martina 04/13/11 08:50 AM
Re: Rahmenbruch - Was tun? Tanbei 04/13/11 09:29 AM
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Re: Rahmenbruch - Was tun? dogfish 04/13/11 10:34 AM
Re: Rahmenbruch - Was tun? Tanbei 04/13/11 11:07 AM
Re: Rahmenbruch - Was tun?  Off-topic Spreehertie 04/13/11 08:26 PM
Re: Rahmenbruch - Was tun? Wolfgang M. 04/13/11 04:17 PM
Re: Rahmenbruch - Was tun? Tanbei 04/13/11 07:25 PM
Re: Rahmenbruch - Was tun? Wolfgang M. 04/13/11 08:08 PM
Re: Rahmenbruch - Was tun? Keine Ahnung 04/13/11 09:31 AM
Re: Rahmenbruch - Was tun? Tanbei 04/13/11 10:14 AM
Re: Rahmenbruch - Was tun? Jojo64 04/13/11 10:29 AM
Re: Rahmenbruch - Was tun? Keine Ahnung 04/13/11 11:08 AM
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Re: Rahmenbruch - Was tun? Jojo64 04/12/11 04:35 PM
Re: Rahmenbruch - Was tun? Roldi 04/12/11 04:45 PM
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Re: Rahmenbruch - Was tun? Wolfgang M. 04/12/11 05:58 PM
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Re: Rahmenbruch - Was tun? brotdose 04/14/11 07:56 AM
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Re: Rahmenbruch - Was tun?  Off-topic Spreehertie 04/16/11 02:42 PM
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