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#1272639 - 03/22/17 10:16 PM Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 [Re: ]
derSammy
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In Antwort auf: AndreMQ
Allerdings ist die Schwinge wesentlich länger als beim Fahrrad, die Riemenlänge durch das große Heckritzel deutlich mehr. Außerdem liegen die drei Drehpunkte (Heckritzel, Schwinge, Frontritzel) ziemlich auf einer Linie. Beim Ein-/Ausfedern ist wohl die Abweichung klein genug, dass der Riemen sich nicht unzulässig entspannt bzw. spannt.

Genau davon gehe ich auch aus, dass die Längenänderung aus geometrischen Gründen tolerabel bleibt. Wichtig ist in der Tat, dass die drei Achsen fast auf einer Linie liegen und dass der Abstand von Antriebsachse und Drehachse im Verhältnis zur Länge der Hinterbauschwinge klein ist. Die Größe des Hinterradritzels dürfte hingegen nicht derart entscheidend sein. Relevant ist noch, dass durch die lange Schwinge der Einfederwinkel relativ klein bleibt.


In Antwort auf: AndreMQ

Aktuell habe ich seit einigen Jahren ein Speedhub-MTB-Fully im Fuhrpark mit der extrem seltenen, konzentrischen Lagerung der Schwinge um das Tretlager. So kann man sich das vorstellen (allerdings nicht von LENZ): LENZ-Milkmoney

Also wenn die Bemaßungsskizze auf der Lenz-Seite stimmt, dann liegt die Federungsachse leicht oberhalb des Tretlagers - zwar sehr nah dran, aber fällt dennoch nicht damit zusammen.
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Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/05/17 07:57 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 sigma7 03/05/17 08:29 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/05/17 08:48 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic Friedrich 03/05/17 09:33 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic cterres 03/05/17 09:46 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic AndreMQ 03/05/17 09:58 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic cterres 03/05/17 10:24 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic AndreMQ 03/05/17 10:31 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic AndreMQ 03/05/17 09:53 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 Frawie 03/05/17 10:00 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/05/17 10:15 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 Friedrich 03/05/17 10:31 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 derSammy 03/06/17 06:43 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 Friedrich 03/06/17 07:43 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/06/17 07:59 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 derSammy 03/06/17 08:33 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/06/17 09:20 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 derSammy 03/06/17 09:37 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/06/17 09:58 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 Hey 03/06/17 06:36 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 Uwe Radholz 03/06/17 09:21 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/06/17 10:54 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic rafo_no 03/06/17 11:26 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 Falk 03/06/17 11:37 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 Friedrich 03/06/17 09:27 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 TobiTobsen 03/05/17 08:33 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic TobiTobsen 03/06/17 12:37 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic AndreMQ 03/06/17 01:00 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 Frawie 03/06/17 02:07 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 kangaroo 03/06/17 04:07 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 JDV 03/06/17 04:26 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/06/17 04:46 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 cterres 03/06/17 06:08 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/06/17 06:22 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic Juergen 03/06/17 05:47 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 JDV 03/06/17 09:44 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 Michael B. 03/07/17 06:02 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 JDV 03/07/17 10:06 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/08/17 11:30 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/08/17 04:10 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 Hey 03/06/17 06:39 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/06/17 06:44 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 Hey 03/06/17 06:59 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/06/17 07:15 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 ohne Gasgriff 03/06/17 11:25 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/07/17 06:17 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic Uwe Radholz 03/06/17 08:00 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 MikeBike 03/08/17 06:50 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 Uwe Radholz 03/08/17 07:25 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic MikeBike 03/08/17 08:48 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic nachtregen 03/08/17 09:10 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic ro-77654 03/08/17 09:35 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/08/17 09:45 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 Friedrich 03/08/17 09:59 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/08/17 10:36 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 iassu 03/08/17 10:38 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/09/17 01:00 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 spiff 03/11/17 08:51 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic TobiTobsen 03/11/17 09:21 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic spiff 03/13/17 10:19 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic derSammy 03/14/17 07:34 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic cterres 03/14/17 07:57 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic derSammy 03/14/17 09:59 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic spiff 03/14/17 07:22 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic Falk 03/14/17 10:03 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic max saikels 03/14/17 07:56 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic cterres 03/14/17 12:00 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic spiff 03/14/17 07:43 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic Langhals 03/14/17 11:32 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic TobiTobsen 03/15/17 12:57 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/11/17 09:46 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 spiff 03/13/17 09:40 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/14/17 10:21 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 MikeBike 03/13/17 11:53 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic cterres 03/14/17 12:28 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic MikeBike 03/14/17 11:56 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic cterres 03/14/17 12:02 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic TobiTobsen 03/15/17 01:15 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 Seeadler 03/06/17 06:51 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic Böhmebiker 03/15/17 04:49 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic spiff 03/15/17 08:32 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic spiff 03/15/17 08:38 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic ohne Gasgriff 03/16/17 01:47 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic spiff 03/16/17 12:27 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic ohne Gasgriff 03/16/17 08:12 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/16/17 10:17 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 _Cumulus_ 03/17/17 07:35 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/17/17 12:34 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 spiff 03/20/17 07:32 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 Falk 03/20/17 07:45 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 spiff 03/22/17 09:16 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/20/17 09:45 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 Teveya 03/21/17 05:58 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/21/17 06:46 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 spiff 03/22/17 09:01 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/22/17 09:48 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 derSammy 03/22/17 10:16 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic ohne Gasgriff 03/22/17 11:25 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic AndreMQ 03/23/17 07:01 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/23/17 08:29 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic manfredf 03/23/17 09:01 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic Falk 03/23/17 10:23 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic ohne Gasgriff 03/23/17 01:52 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 spiff 03/23/17 07:31 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 spiff 03/23/17 07:17 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/23/17 07:42 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/23/17 07:52 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 spiff 03/23/17 08:18 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/23/17 09:43 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 spiff 03/23/17 10:40 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/24/17 06:49 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 05/21/17 09:18 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 9.81 09/11/17 05:16 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 09/11/17 09:05 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 9.81 09/12/17 08:18 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 09/12/17 10:22 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 09/13/17 05:25 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 9.81 09/13/17 07:21 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic spiff 03/20/17 07:17 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic ohne Gasgriff 03/20/17 07:43 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic derSammy 03/20/17 11:10 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic spiff 03/22/17 08:47 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic derSammy 03/22/17 09:41 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic spiff 03/23/17 08:24 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic ohne Gasgriff 03/22/17 09:43 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic spiff 03/23/17 08:20 AM
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