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#1269217 - 03/06/17 09:37 AM Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 [Re: ]
derSammy
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Das ist mir alles schon klar. Ich frage mich nur, ob die "nicht optimale" Gewichtsverteilung der Rohloff auf diesen Strecken wirklich derart nachteilig ist, dass sich der Aufwand (Spezialrahmen, Kosten) für ein Pinionrad lohnt. Das hängt halt wohl sehr von den Wegen ab, die man fährt. Nix gegen die Pinion. Von Ausfällen hört man bisher ja nix und Übersetzungsspektrum und feine Gangstufung sind beeindruckend (zumindest bei P18, bei den anderen Versionen wird es wohl ähnlich sein). Wenn man das Geld eh übrig hat und Lust auf Neues/Technik - nur zu. Für meine Anwendungen rechnet sich der Mehrpreis zur Rohloff einfach nicht.

Was mich von der Verkaufsstrategie her stört, ist, dass die Pinion nur in Kompletträdern verkauft wird. Was, wenn mir so ein Rahmen mal versagt? Kann ich das Getriebe dann in einen neuen Rahmen umpflanzen? Oder umgekehrt, wenn das Getriebe doch mal versagen sollte - bekomme ich einfach Ersatz? Oder kann ich von P12 auf P18 umrüsten? In diesen Punkten ist das Verkaufsgebaren von Rohloff wesentlich attraktiver und nachhaltiger. Ein Rohloffgetriebe kann problemlos mehrere Rahmen überleben und die Umbauten kann ich ohne Papierkram selbst machen.
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Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/05/17 07:57 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 sigma7 03/05/17 08:29 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/05/17 08:48 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic Friedrich 03/05/17 09:33 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic cterres 03/05/17 09:46 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic AndreMQ 03/05/17 09:58 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic cterres 03/05/17 10:24 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic AndreMQ 03/05/17 10:31 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic AndreMQ 03/05/17 09:53 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 Frawie 03/05/17 10:00 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/05/17 10:15 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 Friedrich 03/05/17 10:31 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 derSammy 03/06/17 06:43 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 Friedrich 03/06/17 07:43 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/06/17 07:59 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 derSammy 03/06/17 08:33 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/06/17 09:20 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 derSammy 03/06/17 09:37 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/06/17 09:58 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 Hey 03/06/17 06:36 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 Uwe Radholz 03/06/17 09:21 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/06/17 10:54 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic rafo_no 03/06/17 11:26 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 Falk 03/06/17 11:37 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 Friedrich 03/06/17 09:27 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 TobiTobsen 03/05/17 08:33 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic TobiTobsen 03/06/17 12:37 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic AndreMQ 03/06/17 01:00 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 Frawie 03/06/17 02:07 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 kangaroo 03/06/17 04:07 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 JDV 03/06/17 04:26 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/06/17 04:46 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 cterres 03/06/17 06:08 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/06/17 06:22 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic Juergen 03/06/17 05:47 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 JDV 03/06/17 09:44 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 Michael B. 03/07/17 06:02 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 JDV 03/07/17 10:06 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/08/17 11:30 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/08/17 04:10 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 Hey 03/06/17 06:39 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/06/17 06:44 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 Hey 03/06/17 06:59 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/06/17 07:15 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 ohne Gasgriff 03/06/17 11:25 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/07/17 06:17 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic Uwe Radholz 03/06/17 08:00 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 MikeBike 03/08/17 06:50 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 Uwe Radholz 03/08/17 07:25 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic MikeBike 03/08/17 08:48 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic nachtregen 03/08/17 09:10 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic ro-77654 03/08/17 09:35 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/08/17 09:45 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 Friedrich 03/08/17 09:59 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/08/17 10:36 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 iassu 03/08/17 10:38 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/09/17 01:00 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 spiff 03/11/17 08:51 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic TobiTobsen 03/11/17 09:21 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic spiff 03/13/17 10:19 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic derSammy 03/14/17 07:34 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic cterres 03/14/17 07:57 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic derSammy 03/14/17 09:59 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic spiff 03/14/17 07:22 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic Falk 03/14/17 10:03 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic max saikels 03/14/17 07:56 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic cterres 03/14/17 12:00 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic spiff 03/14/17 07:43 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic Langhals 03/14/17 11:32 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic TobiTobsen 03/15/17 12:57 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/11/17 09:46 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 spiff 03/13/17 09:40 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/14/17 10:21 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 MikeBike 03/13/17 11:53 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic cterres 03/14/17 12:28 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic MikeBike 03/14/17 11:56 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic cterres 03/14/17 12:02 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic TobiTobsen 03/15/17 01:15 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 Seeadler 03/06/17 06:51 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic Böhmebiker 03/15/17 04:49 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic spiff 03/15/17 08:32 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic spiff 03/15/17 08:38 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic ohne Gasgriff 03/16/17 01:47 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic spiff 03/16/17 12:27 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic ohne Gasgriff 03/16/17 08:12 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/16/17 10:17 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 _Cumulus_ 03/17/17 07:35 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/17/17 12:34 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 spiff 03/20/17 07:32 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 Falk 03/20/17 07:45 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 spiff 03/22/17 09:16 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/20/17 09:45 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 Teveya 03/21/17 05:58 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/21/17 06:46 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 spiff 03/22/17 09:01 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/22/17 09:48 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 derSammy 03/22/17 10:16 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic ohne Gasgriff 03/22/17 11:25 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic AndreMQ 03/23/17 07:01 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/23/17 08:29 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic manfredf 03/23/17 09:01 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic Falk 03/23/17 10:23 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic ohne Gasgriff 03/23/17 01:52 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 spiff 03/23/17 07:31 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 spiff 03/23/17 07:17 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/23/17 07:42 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/23/17 07:52 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 spiff 03/23/17 08:18 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/23/17 09:43 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 spiff 03/23/17 10:40 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 03/24/17 06:49 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 05/21/17 09:18 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 9.81 09/11/17 05:16 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 09/11/17 09:05 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 9.81 09/12/17 08:18 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 09/12/17 10:22 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 AndreMQ 09/13/17 05:25 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18 9.81 09/13/17 07:21 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic spiff 03/20/17 07:17 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic ohne Gasgriff 03/20/17 07:43 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic derSammy 03/20/17 11:10 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic spiff 03/22/17 08:47 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic derSammy 03/22/17 09:41 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic spiff 03/23/17 08:24 AM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic ohne Gasgriff 03/22/17 09:43 PM
Re: Pinion C12/P12 vs. P18  Off-topic spiff 03/23/17 08:20 AM
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