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#119484 - 10/05/04 07:00 AM Re: Muß es immer NORWID sein? [Re: Froghald]
Petterson
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da kann ich bei dem guten Herrn Pallesen nur Gutes berichten:

Liefertermin war 31.12 und am 20.12 war das Paket mit dem Rahmen da - noch rechtzeitig, um ausreichend Lametta und Kerzen dranzuhängen ! lach lach lach lach


Peter
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#119501 - 10/05/04 08:20 AM Re: Muß es immer NORWID sein? [Re: Froghald]
Wolfgang M.
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Hallo,

Zitat:
Sag mal, der Lowrider, ist der aus Niro? Wenn ja, selbst gebaut oder Tubus bestochen?


Aus Edelstahl - genau wie der hintere Gepäckträger. Tubus mußte nicht bestochen werden. Die haben den freiwillig gebaut. Allerdings kam er erst zwei Jahre nach dem ursprünglich angekündigten Termin auf den Markt. Zu finden ist er hier


Zitat:
Kommt mir ja irgendwie bekannt vor.


Woher?


Viele Grüße

Wolfgang
Viele Grüße aus dem lieblichen Rheinland
Wolfgang
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Off-topic #119629 - 10/05/04 08:48 PM Re: Muß es immer NORWID sein? [Re: Petterson]
jutta
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um ausreichend Lametta und Kerzen dranzuhängen ! lach lach lach lach

Ich war vor geraumer Zeit mal kurz in Sangerhausen und bin da auch mal kurz in eine Kirche (Ulrichsk?) rein. Da war ein Leuchter, wohl aus Wasserrohren zusammengeschweißt, erinnerte mich aber irgendwie an Fahrradrahmen (in Sangerhausen ist MIFA / Fahrradwerk zuhause)
Als ich deshalb den Küster (Pfarrer) fragte, guckte der micht etwas entgeistert an
Gruß Jutta
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#119633 - 10/05/04 09:16 PM Re: Muß es immer NORWID sein? [Re: Wolfgang M.]
Guenter
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Musset nit.

Bevor ich in dieses Forum kam wusste ich gar nicht, dass es so etwas wie Norwid, Fahrradmanufaktur (was fürn schreckliches Wort) oder Guerlaine gibt.

Für mich kamen gute Räder immer von den Maßstäbe setzenden alten Meistern wie: De Rosa, Guerciotti, Thomassini, Colnago, Gios, Cinelli usw.

Das es solche "Giovannis come latelies" überhaupt gibt, hab ich erst hier erfahren.

Gute Mountainbikes kamen aus Amerika.

Mfg Günter
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#119695 - 10/06/04 11:35 AM Re: Muß es immer NORWID sein? [Re: Guenter]
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Servus Günter,

Reiseräder waren schon immer eine besondere Gattung. Es gibt Radelbauer, die es als die Krönung des Fahrradbaus bezeichnen, eine perfekte Reisemaschine zu bauen. Sehe ich zwar nicht ganz so, aber die aktuellen Renner sind momentan nicht so das, was ich mir unter einen Renner immer vorstellte. Weder schön (Geschmackssache), noch technisch umwerfend. Gewicht alleine kann es ja auch nicht sein, denn schließlich fährt das Auge ja auch mit. Ist halt ein bischen so wie mit Orgel und Klavier. Hat beides Tasten, aber ist doch was anderes. Ähnlich wie bei Renner, MTB und Reiserad.

Gruß
Josef
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#119714 - 10/06/04 01:07 PM Re: Muß es immer NORWID sein? [Re: Guenter]
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Zitat:
Gute Mountainbikes kamen aus Amerika.

... "bikes" halt.

Gute Fahrräder kommen aus Dänemark, Deutschland, England, Frankreich, Italien und den Niederlanden (in alphabetischer Ordnung). Ich hoffe, kein Land vergessen zu haben.

WdA
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#119719 - 10/06/04 01:35 PM Re: Muß es immer NORWID sein? [Re: Wolfrad]
Guenter
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Doch haste.

Amerika mit seinen hunderten von erlesenen Fahrradschmieden.
Will nur einen hervorheben: Bruce Gordon , der nebenher auch noch mit die besten Gepäckträger und Packtaschen baut.

Mfg Günter
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#119736 - 10/06/04 02:12 PM Re: Muß es immer NORWID sein? [Re: Guenter]
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Na, da staun' ich aber: Fahrräder. nicht bikes, aus den USA!

So kann's also einem alten Europäer ergehen...

WdA
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#119740 - 10/06/04 02:20 PM Re: Muß es immer NORWID sein? [Re: Wolfrad]
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HIER noch einer von den guten Amis in dessen Wekstatt ich mich schon umsehen durfte.

Mfg Günter
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#119784 - 10/06/04 05:12 PM Re: Muß es immer NORWID sein? [Re: Guenter]
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Klasse! Um die Rivendell-Alternative aufzunehmen:

http://www.rivendellbicycles.com/html/bikes_riv6.html

Derart thematisiert habe ich das Thema Sitzposition noch nie gesehen!

"Comfort by Design

When comfort is the goal, riding position is just about the only thing that matters. It’s more important than frame material, tube dimensions, and frame geometry combined. It’s more important than clothing and tires, too. Riding position is King, Pope, Earl, and Viceroy all in one, and if you don’t have it, your bike may be tolerable, more comfortable than your last bike, and you may become used to it, but it won’t feel like a sofa. For that, you need a good riding position, and that begins with a good design for your body. Following are our beliefs about riding position and comfort.

Arms, hands, and back. With drop bars, when you ride with your
hands just behind the brake hoods, your back should angled about 45 to 50 degrees to horizontal. Your elbows should be noticeably bent, with your lower arm between 10 & 50 degrees to horizontal. Your hands should rest lightly on the bars.

Seat, Feet and legs. For most riders, a more rearward sitting and
pedaling position works well. Despite the longtime wholesale acceptance of setting up your bike so that your knee is directly above the pedal axle, there’s no physiological basis for doing so. The fastest sprinters pedal way more forward than that. The fastest climbers pedal way more rearward. “Knee over pedal spindle” holds no water. Sitting back, you carry more weight on your rear end (which is designed to carry weight, after all), and less on your hands. And the rearward position affects pedaling in a couple of ways.

As you push down on the pedal, you’re actually pushing a
little forward, too, which helps you maintain your rearward position (and takes weight off your hands).

You catch the pedal going over the top sooner, so you can
start applying power earlier in the stroke. This is particularly good for climbing, and is why even pro racers do it (sit back farther) on mountain stages.

But a rearward position tends to bend you more at the waist. So, to open up that bend, raise the handlebars. High bars also take weight off your hands and improves descending, since it helps keep the rear wheel weighted and your weight centered. High bars make any hill seem less steep. With low bars, you feel like you’re going downhill even when the road is flat. Our top head lug’s unique 15mm extension is one of many details that help you achieve a good position.

Make Your Body Spring-like

Relaxed arms react to bumps, flexing and absorbing the shock before it gets to your neck/back/body. Picture the springlike movement of a jockey on a racehorse. Ignore the leaned over position, but notice how his relaxed appendages soak up the blows so his body doesn’t. The key to a relaxed body is a good position, and that starts with a good frame design for your body.

Be Careful Who You Emulate

Sizing, fitting, and positioning systems based on the young pro cyclist who has a flexible, tolerant body, is willing to sacrifice comfort for speed, gets a massage frequently, and usually quits riding when he turns 32…are not suitable for a non-competitive cycler seeking a lifetime of cycling health and pleasure.

Saddle Height Relative to the Handlebar Height

This is the most important relationship on the bike. On most bikes, the handlebars are much lower than the saddle, which leads to stress and pain in your hands, arms, shoulders, neck, and lower back. The too-low handlebars are due to design and fitting issues involving the stem, headset, head tube, steer tube, top tube, and frame size (seat tube length). The bad position is further encouraged by modern approaches to fit that steer you toward the smallest bike possible. Bikes such as these shift your weight forward, where it doesn’t belong.

For most riders, maximum comfort is achieved when the
handlebars are level with or up to 5cm/2-inches higher than the saddle. Few riders have ever experienced this, and few bike shops espouse such a bar-to-saddle relationship. It would serve no useful purpose, because this position is impossible to achieve on most production bikes. But the comfort has to be experienced to be believed. The weight on your hands is reduced. Your back doesn’t suffer as much. You can see around without holding your neck up. And steep descents don’t feel as steep, because your body is more upright. We design your frame with this in mind.

If a main criterion of comfort is getting the handlebars higher, then
an obvious way to do that is to start with a larger frame. But as you might expect, it’s not so easy. When you upsize with normal production frames, though, you run into problems. They are designed with a downsize mentality; which results in a short seat tube and a long top tube. When you go to a bigger frame, the top tube is usually too long"

Grüße,
moogley
Grüße, moogley
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#119799 - 10/06/04 06:23 PM Re: Muß es immer NORWID sein? [Re: Guenter]
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Zitat:
Rivendell
hinreißend !
Markus
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